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Offline Kit

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« on: May 13, 2004, 12:35:11 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2004, 12:38:12 PM »
Without an AOL login name we don't have access to the article.  But you've got my interest piqued.

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2004, 12:38:22 PM »
I would love to see it, but you have to sign in

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2004, 01:03:54 PM »
From AOL:

Online Company Shuts Down Site With Beheading
Malaysian Web Site Company Inundated With Traffic
By SEAN YOONG, AP

   
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (May 13) - The al-Qaida-linked Web site that first posted a video of American civilian Nicholas Berg's beheading was shut down Thursday by the Malaysian company that hosted it - because it was drawing too much traffic.

A senior officer of the company, Acme Commerce Sdn. Bhd., said Thursday it was not aware that the site, www.*******.biz, may have been connected to al-Qaida or that offensive material had been posted on it. If it had, the company would likely have shut it down earlier, said Alfred Lim, Acme Commerce's business manager.

"We are a legitimate business, in no way related to al-Qaida," Lim told The Associated Press. "We have no control over what our clients put on their Web sites."

Malaysia is one of the Islamic world's most progressive countries with aims of completing its transformation from a rubber- and tin-producing colonial backwater into a technology-driven society by 2020. It strongly opposes the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but is an ally in the fight against terrorism and has detained scores of terrorist suspects.

The al-Ansar site was operated by a client who rented space on a Malaysian-based Web server owned by Acme Commerce, Lim said, although he was not sure exactly when the client began renting the space.

Lim said Acme Commerce disabled the site Thursday morning because it had attracted "a sudden surge of massive traffic that is taking up too much bandwidth and causing inconvenience to our other clients."

The company also began getting calls from Web surfers who had traced the site's server on the Internet and drew officials' attention to the content for the first time, Lim said.

The video, which was posted on the site Tuesday, showed the slaying of Berg, 26, of West Chester, Penn. His body was found in Baghdad on Saturday.

Images from the video that do not show Berg's beheading have dominated television broadcasts and newspaper front pages in many countries.

Acme Commerce's policy was not to host sites that carry grisly, defamatory, obscene, potentially offensive material or gambling, Lim said. It would "definitely not host this kind of Web site" again.

He declined to identify the client who ran the al-Anwar site, saying the company - which claims to host 5,000 sites for clients in more than 30 countries - wanted to consult its lawyers first.

The company lodged a police report about the site, he said, although it was unclear what action Malaysian authorities might take.

Opposition leader Lim Kit Siang urged Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi's government to investigate the possibility that "Malaysia is hosting a master network of international terrorist Web sites."

Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said information about the case revealed so far did not amount to evidence of Lim's concern.

"Let the thing be investigated," he told reporters. "I can tell you that we do not support any terrorist actions."


05/13/04 06:49 EDT

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press.


Edited by - kit on 05/13/2004  13:06:14

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2004, 01:09:32 PM »
That whole situation is just sick.. At this point, I will keep my political views to myself, as this is an international forum.

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2004, 04:35:00 PM »
Actually - the video is a terrible piece of Hackery.

The time count jumps, and the death scene is faked. You can easily see the knife come out of the jacket and then go directly into a pocket.

He was already dead when the beheading took place (a merciful way to go) as evidenced by the lack of struggle, and little blood on the scene.

I surmise he dies during interrogation or trying to escape, and they decided to further horrify Americans to get us to lose our resolve and pull out.

What shocks me is the media and the govt has not pointed out the blatant 13 hour jump on the camcorder. Anyone with half a brain can see it.

It disturbs me that this might of been the work of others than Al Queda - Hezbollah came out against the beheading - but using a strange way of stating it that actually tells me they may have been involved to further discredit american intelligence forces.

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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2004, 04:44:55 PM »
Well, I watched it at about 200 X 150, so I couldn't even see a record timer. It turned my stomach.

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2004, 04:51:13 PM »
If you want I can e-mail full size pics of the video with timer showing, along with shots of the knife being pocketed.

I also have the wmv that shows the scene  clearer than that flash thingy that's so small.

it's tragic, but it's definitly designed to be horrifying.

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2004, 05:04:04 PM »
I appreciate the offer, but I will have to respectfully decline. I found it a bit too disturbing to be honest. I just hope that W will send people to take those 5 men out.

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2004, 05:05:42 PM »
this is getting weirder and weirder.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/iraq.berg/index.html

the CIA is stating that the decapitator was a bad guy - but apparently no one has noticed the timer being off.

I'm seriously disturbed at the level of (hopefully) incompetance being demonstrated by the news and government.

Because if it ain't incompetance....

Sheesh.

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2004, 05:10:39 PM »
my roommate wants to see the video if you have it, send it to him at sugarshane1971@comcast.net
much thanks.

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2004, 05:11:48 PM »
Ok - I'll send him a link to download in about a minute.

Tell him to watch the timer after making it full screen.

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2004, 05:13:41 PM »
will do. Thanks man.

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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2004, 05:14:47 PM »
sent.

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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2004, 05:25:37 PM »
Definitely an understatement!!

I haven't seen any previous mention of the timer...but I've seen a number of other questions raised about the entire incident.

Steve


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this is getting weirder and weirder.

Sheesh.

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